In the transcript, I wrote it was really just focused on: What happened the night you went into foster care? [2], One day in September 2014, she told the history teacher about Lovelace's abuse. And at the time I was more in panic mode than like, let me step back and look at this logically, theres absolutely no case, this is an intimidation tactic to try to silence me and sign this NDA and withdraw from the Rhodes and agree to whatever terms they wanted me to agree to you. After her mother left, Fierceton got out of bed, found a spare set of keys and drove herself to school. And then to be so unanimously disbelieved and, at that point, this article was like a paragraph and a half. Like, those two things dont fit together. Our grad school had no specific definitions or instructions, but I did have a relationship with the associate director of admissions at the time. White, who had apparently drafted the offer, added a sentence to it requiring Fierceton to say she was agreeing to it "voluntarily and without pressure" after she learned that Fierceton was complaining to professors that she felt Penn was pressuring her to do this. RG: And one of the main things they pointed to was that she had gone to this private school . But she says she occasionally received packages at her dorm room containing objects she suspected had come from her mother, such as a bracelet with an inscription about finding the truth, or others close to her, such as a pair of sneakers, which she believed Lovelace, who had sometimes helped her stretch before workouts, had sent. So Rachel had it and Penn disputed it. One of them, to me, felt pretty clear that it was probably from someone in my biological family, because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would have and I dont think many people would have random childhood photos of me. As in Fierceton's case, it took an hour to remove Driver from the building. MF: So thats the background of him. My life is over, Im in the hospital, Im at rock bottom. She had bruises all over her body in different stages of healing an obvious sign of child abuse.. I didnt even really think about it when I checked it, because I felt like I had a lot of information that backed it up. But yeah, that, I guess, just one point of clarification that I recently, in the last few months, just found out about. Mackenzies critics even began nitpicking how much blood was in her hair while she was in the intensive care unit. And to me, I'm like I am a household of one, so I am the only person in my family. Did she lie? Her history teacher described the incident this way: She showed up at my classroom door with a bloodied and battered face and then fainted., Mackenzie was hospitalized. And its funny, cause it just made me so frustrated and I actually went back and read it. [19] The New York Post wrote that "[t]he case exposes the murky underbelly of elite schools like Penn. It quotes her as saying "If you find me dead, it was my mom. We dont have ads, so we depend on our members 35,000 and counting to help us hold the powerful to account. What kind of a group is that? Enough blood? MF: Yeah. [2], Local police were called. In November 2020, Mackenzie Fierceton was one of just 32 students to be awarded the Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford. I tried to help as much as I could. In early 2022, after stories about her struggle with Penn and the Rhodes Trust received national attention from stories in The Chronicle of Higher Education and The New Yorker, commentators took the university, and American elite higher education in general, to task for its use of the story of Fierceton and some other recent Rhodes recipients as poverty porn and its shifting definition of an FGLI student. Because that was one of the ones that really blew my mind. After her graduation summa cum laude, political science professor Anne Norton invited Fierceton to stay with her and her partner in their large house in Northwest Philadelphia for as long as she needed to in order to complete her master's over the next year. There were three instances of attempted contact from her family or foster family. I was like: Great. Ultimately, she lost her Rhodes Scholarship, and Penn withheld her masters degree, demanding a letter of apology. Yeah. I identify with the FGLI umbrella term and definitely being a low-income student, but I've never really called myself a standalone first-generation. Is that just an interpretation or did they say anything that suggested to you that the fact that you had gone to a private school and grown up in an upper-middle-class situation meant that you could never at any point consider yourself low-income? Fierceton grew up in a wealthy community and attended an elite private school in a St. Louis suburb. I had never heard of FGLI, but these labels resonated with a story I was still trying to process. Mackenzie went to a private prep school, Whitfield, in St. Louis and was an active student. I think they do have a richer experience if they have more diversity around them, but that is more the point. One of them, to me, felt pretty clear that it was probably from someone in my biological family, because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would have and I dont think many people would have random childhood photos of me. He died after a medical emergency in a basement of UPenn's Caster Building in 2018. No, I cant. She also alleged that Penn had on many occasions failed to follow its own disciplinary policies in its investigation of her.[16]. So they heard from her and immediately they call you into a meeting with the deputy provost at the time, Beth Winkelstein . So that was what that specific sentence in The New Yorker was referencing is this kind of condensing this group of people and to one sentence. "Fuck thatI don't have [a family]" she said later. You had mentioned that you actually made a transcript of your interview with Deputy Provost Finkelstein shortly after the conversation. ", When Penn's Office of Student Conduct confronted Fierceton with the discrepancy between her statement on two of her applications that she ", The exact definition of FGLI relevant to forms Fierceton filled out is a key point in the Rhodes Trust and Penn investigations of her. @RachelAviv for @NewYorker Mackenzie Hargreaves is a fictional character from the Australian soap opera Neighbours, played by Georgie Stone.She made her first appearance on 30 August 2019. I was a teenager and I was in the hospital and I didnt have any perspective. And so, like I mentioned earlier, I dont want to go over too much of the history that led up to your battle with Penn and with the Rhodes trust, because people can find that in The New Yorker article that came out recently, you went over that in some pretty decent length; in Katie Courics podcast in a recent interview there. [2], At the beginning of the next school year, Fierceton was examined by her pediatrician, who noticed a large bruise on her arm but chose not to X-ray it, a decision the doctor later regretted. We started building this, and this is exactly who we built it for. Yeah. So these are all things Ive learned [laughs] I learned after the fact. And so youre becoming rather inconvenient to the university at that point , I would assume, which plays into the way that universities and elite structures think of diversity, I think. Mother and daughter both told the same stories they had earlier; Morrison depicted her daughter as "willful and intense", claiming she had bought and read many books to try to help her understand the issues she said Fierceton had. Like you said, I was called into a meeting. And so I did definitely have that kind of like: I have no idea what else is going to convince these people. As in her case, first responders had experienced similar delays in finding and reaching the building, and difficulties removing Driver once they did due to the same accessibility issues. The New Yorker reported it was written by an anonymous sender who displayed a great deal of familiarity with Mackenzies childhood that showed Mackenzie engaging in typical upper middle-class childhood activities, like horseback riding and going to the beach.. 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It didnt, though, to the University of Pennsylvania. RG: Thats been my understanding of it. And with that, like you said, notion of: Well, theres no way that you went to private school and all of this could have still happened, or that you could be low-income now and this idea that socioeconomic status is permanent. She is poor, but she has not been poor for long enough. And I asked in the email exchange: Is this about the anonymous email? [2], Fierceton supplied the trust's investigators with her medical and court records from the mid-2010s as well as letters from 26 peopleteachers at Whitfield, the three Penn faculty members who had written her Rhodes recommendation letters, vouching for her abuse claims and saying she had never misrepresented herself. They reported it to the state's child-abuse hotline. Mackenzie is the soap's first transgender character, added to the series after Stone wrote to executive producer Jason Herbison to pitch the character. Detective Carrie Brandt, who had been planning to follow up on the hotline report at Whitfield that day, instead interviewed Fierceton at the hospital. [2], Morrison retained William Margulis, a former member of Whitfield's board who had sent four of his children there, including one of her daughter's classmates, as her attorney. And so can you talk a little bit about your research? Fierceton was mentioned in the complaint as having experienced similar issues following her seizure; she was deposed in the suit in March 2021, the month before the university's investigation led her to withdraw from the Rhodes Scholarship. At first she went to a friend's home in Ohio and then returned to the Philadelphia area as May and graduation approached to live with a classmate's family. Youre welcome to talk to Penn Police or their Division of Special Services or the Womens Center, or any program that Ive been involved in, or people that have been involved in supporting me who can corroborate this. So therefore that doesnt fit their understanding of low-income, despite the fact that your mother was no longer your legal guardian, youre a ward of the state. And even now, The New Yorker quotes a lot from my childhood journals describing my abuse. Thank you so much for having me. This made Fierceton feel as if she were being watched for anything she did that could be used against the state's case by her mother. Thank you so much for having me. And the staff member saying like: I understand, can you please give Mackenzie an estimate of how many questions are left? She had lived with her mother since her parents divorced acrimoniously during her childhood, and a guardian ad litem was appointed to represent Fierceton's interests in the proceeding, during which abuse allegations were made. RG: She, about 10 years ago, she wrote a comment I think on a Gawker post or something like that that we ended up then re-publishing as an essay at The Huffington Post about, and it was about her life in poverty, and it went viral, millions of people read it, extremely well-written piece. [2] Winkelstein, who has a Ph.D. in bioengineering and has studied injuries,[3] then proceeded to interrogate Fierceton at length about her abuse and hospitalization, in a manner that led Fierceton to believe that not only did Winkelstein doubt her story but had spoken with Morrison. But I think a lot of it stems from the current policies and practices of federal and local funding and what kind of programs theyre funding for kids. You didnt grow up in crumbling projects your entire life. And theres also literature thats economic literature versus sociology, different fields have different perspectives on what that relationship between foster care and the criminal justice system is and what the causes are. Her mother was arrested and charged with abuse, and Mackenzie went into foster care. How do I do that in a succinct way when theres a very short word count and youre trying to fit everyones experience in?And so I didnt really think about: Oh, I need to say: This foster sibling who was in the foster care system. Two other women he was involved with had also reported him to law enforcement). And how much confidence do you have that that anonymous complainer was Carrie, your biological mother. This could happen to me. Mackenzie Fierceton has lost her Rhodes Scholarship and her University of Pennsylvania master's degree is being held after an anonymous tipster called out alleged inaccuracies in her school and scholarship applications.NY Post photo composite While the investigators understood, they also wrote that the limited information she provided may have been more likely to elicit an answer favorable to her. [5] She posted it before Fierceton's release from the hospital, and once free began calling Fierceton's friends and former teachers, telling them that Fierceton was having issues and had made it appear Morrison had beaten her. RG: Or whatever our kind of contemporary version of it is. The prosecutor eventually dropped the charges and the arrest record was expunged. MF: Just a quick circling back, Im actually not sure if it was her who first reached out or if it was General Counsel Wendy White, because I later found out that they had a phone call about 36 hours after the article came out and seemed to talk pretty extensively, and then there were a lot of emails that happened. And it just felt pretty devastating to me, because for so long I hid everything, Id been so ashamed, and I already felt so much guilt in coming forward then. Her mothers name was entered into a registry of abusers. But I just had a bad feeling and I started to try to find more information. Are we going to see these injuries? We started building this, and this is exactly who we built it for. MF: You know, I believe the first people who said that was the Rhodes Trust. MF: Yeah. [23] In mid-April, Penn released Fierceton's master's degree. "I advised him that this was ridiculous, and this had to be a 'status thing", she said. Is that what sent you into a surreal state? They had done their own investigation again, quotes on investigation and then I had submitted over a hundred pages of documents to them. So normally the term FGLI, its just an umbrella term for both. And its no offense its not like the most profound . And Im Ryan Grim, D.C. bureau chief of The Intercept. [2], At the end of 2013, in the middle of her sophomore year, Fierceton was admitted to St. Luke's, where her mother worked, with a head injury. Those investigations revealed that for the first 17 years of her life, Fierceton was raised by her mother, Dr. Carrie Morrison, an accomplished physician. RG: And so when you applied for your masters in social worker or sociology? Who will spend some significant amount of time in poverty. And it became pretty clear to me that there had been a very similar delay in his care, but even worse dynamics. Morrison had told the admitting physician that she had not been present when her daughter was hurt but believed she had fallen down the stairs in the house, which the hospital accepted as the likely cause, even though her fearfulness was also noted. Yeah. Its a very under-researched field. The Chronicle reports that although she spent her final year of high school in foster care, the student had grown up in an affluent suburb of St. Louis with her mother, a radiologist, and attended private schools. [2] Afterwards Morrison changed her daughter's last name to her own. So, yes. I do think that it is a huge defense mechanism that people deploy. And at the time I was more in panic mode than like, let me step back and look at this logically, theres absolutely no case, this is an intimidation tactic to try to silence me and sign this NDA and withdraw from the Rhodes and agree to whatever terms they wanted me to agree to you. She had not, she insisted, written her original essay with the intent of increasing her chances of admission. Im part of a wrongful death lawsuit that was filed in August, 2020. And those other people are kind of like the orphans that we think of in Dickensian novels. Fierceton's mother's supporters have maintained that her daughter was an emotionally manipulative girl who injured herself and fabricated other aspects of the abuse in order to become a more appealing candidate for admission to an Ivy League college such as the University of Pennsylvania. "[27], For the Penn investigation, Fierceton relied on the definition on the webpage for Penn First Plus, the university's support program for FGLI students, which includes the language about the student having a "strained or limited relationship" with the graduate parent. In addition to reiterating many of the themes of comments made by her and her supporters in the previous articles, including criticism of the Rhodes and Penn investigations (the former of which Grim noted she was putting air quotes around when she mentioned it), she expressed a belief that her story had triggered a defensive anxiety in women like Finkelstein and White:[4]. Fierceton described herself as a first-generation college applicant who came from a low-income, foster-care background. Penn's admissions department thus automatically coded Fierceton as a first-generation student, a category it was seeking to increase among its undergraduate population, even though her mother had an advanced degree[2] and her grandfather was a college graduate who had taught at the University of Missouri. Whereas white parents, a lot of times, it is much harder the bar is much higher to remove them from their homes because their whiteness or possibly class privilege or whatever identities that they have that might not fit a social worker or judges or whoevers involved perception of whose kids should be in the foster system. MF: At first there was actually, there was contention. And what happened after that? MF: So to me it was pretty clear that it likely came from them. Interesting. Penn claims that was meant purely for purposes of the program, to attract as many students as possible who could benefit from participation in it. Within a year of her arrest, another St. Louis-area hospital had granted her admitting privileges, and she was able to resume her medical career. MF: I mean, part of it is honestly like its looking at cause we just wanted to be as thorough as possible of when [laughs] I was crying, and then I was crying and taking breaths. And the chain of events that happened leading into foster care? Others echoed the criticism. Our producer is Zach Young. What foster family were you with in X,Y, Z year? Then the Philly paramedics couldnt figure out how to get to the building and then they couldnt get me out. Fierceton was born August 9, 1997, under the name Mackenzie Terrell, in Danbury, Connecticut,[1] to Carrie Morrison, a physician who would later head the breast imaging department at St. Luke's Hospital in Chesterfield, where the couple lived. Mhmm. Yeah, it was, things like that where I simplified all of these foster kids that youre living with a biological family who have kids, which I would say are foster siblings. On Saturday afternoon, Fierceton said she found herself in a Zoom meeting for several hours with 10 other finalists from this region. Was there abuse before this? Two weeks into the school year, she realized she had been wrong. That was Mackenzie Fierceton and thats our show. I asked specifically about those boxes and the answer I got was again, this was multiple years ago, but it was something along the lines of I dont think that biological parents are relevant to this. What was the response from the readers of the paper? She ruined her moms career. "I think that we could contribute to the community, the broader Philadelphia community, and the West Philadelphia community more positively, instead of doing things that are not only undermining them but are actively policing them, and end up creating and perpetuating more violence," she told The Daily Pennsylvanian, the university's student newspaper. Fierceton believes it was likely sent by Morrison or one of her close relatives. She began to realize that she had no sense of identity. [1] It appended both the Rhodes report and OSC's as exhibits. So [laughs] I feel like I could go on for hours about that. And Im glad that people are having the kinds of systemic discussions that are so key to all of this. Her mother was a doctor and Fierceton attended a prep school, but she was. The recurring sexual abuse by Lovelace had made Fierceton even more anxious over the summer after he gave her mother a gun as a gift (Morrison had called the police after Lovelace showed Fierceton pictures of the gun. Deconstructed[emailprotected]theintercept.com, Photo illustration: Soohee Cho for The Intercept; Getty Images, AP, This weeks guest on Deconstructed is Mackenzie Fierceton, who was the subject of, The Philadelphia Inquirer erroneously wrote that she had grown up poor. It was: Shes a spoiled little brat. . Fierceton grew up in a wealthy community and attended an elite private school in a St. Louis suburb. MF: Yes, definitely. Penn also noted that her name change had the effect, whether she had intended it or not, of making her background harder to research. We dont believe you. And it was also the community was kind of divided. 2020 College graduate Mackenzie Fierceton (Photo from Mackenzie Fierceton). She entered foster care only at the age of 17, after making a complaint of abuse against Dr.. And when I asked her again when I was gathering all this evidence in 2020, she gave me the same answer of: I dont believe its relevant, and this box isnt relevant to admission. I reached out for a response to the University of Pennsylvania and also Provost Beth Winkelstein and General Counsel Wendy White for a response, as well as to Mackenzies biological mother. [5] Lovelace was also arrested and charged with sexual abuse. Or is that it separates two into one? RG: Right. Cops have accused the MTV star of stalking as well as violation of an order of protection. Raised in Chesterfield, Missouri, a West County suburb of St. Louis, she attended and graduated from the Whitfield School in Creve Coeur. Asked by the school's wellness director (who later told police she had seen insulting texts from Morrison on Fierceton's phone) about the reasons for the injuries, Fierceton said that she was "clumsy" but did not offer any details. So Im not sure how much could have been missing. And I think that she kind of encompassed a lot of the stereotypes that people, and also the Penn administrators have about what FGLI students are when in reality, those of us who are part of the community know that theres so many shapes and sizes of FGLI students. Im curious, having dealt with so many people along the way, who are questioning your story, how do you feel like the boxes play into this? Mackenzie, for her part, was accepted to the University of Pennsylvania and, in her sophomore year, won a Rhodes Scholarship. I have all these three kinds of different rationale and corroborations. I cant say how many questions are left and were close to done. [2][g], The packages she says she received were supplemented by hangup calls, which a faculty member Fierceton occasionally lived with recalled her receiving in the months preceding the trial of her mother's lawsuit against DSS later in her junior year. At the end of the march they were addressed by Fierceton and other FGLI students. The notation in her transcript remains. Morrison was arrested and charged with felony child abuse and third-degree assault (a misdemeanor) in the incident that had led to Fierceton's hospitalization, and an additional felony child abuse count for the incident that had triggered the DSS caseworker's visit earlier in the year; the arrest warrant alleged that Morrison had deliberately slammed her daughter's head into the table. I want to read from The New Yorker article again, it says: The Web site of Penn First Plus, a university program founded in 2018 to support F.G.L.I. When I came to Penn and saw all of these students who were living that life, there was a sense of community and solidarity amongst us, which was very powerful for me because I just felt so out of place. [2], Wendy Ruderman, a reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, called Fierceton to interview her for a story about the scholarship. Because Im not under any illusion that Im the typical foster kid. And we entered the meeting and it immediately felt really hostile to me. One, Michael Raffaele, said he believed Morrison was trying to leave Fierceton with no other options. We want to think of it as: If you were ever rich, youre always rich; if youre ever poor, youre always poor. [i] Ruderman corroborated that later to The New Yorker, saying she was paraphrasing Fierceton's self-identification as FGLI. Another program official that year recalls Fierceton as seeming more vulnerable than she let on; after picking her up from the hospital following bone surgery that year, she noticed that Fierceton had a very light winter coat and few other possessions. MF: So those questions really came later. Mackenzie Fierceton, C'20, has been awarded a 2021 Rhodes Scholarship for graduate study at the University of Oxford. And now they have to face the fact that someone who looks like them, who shares all these identities with them, could be the source of all of this harm. [2], Shortly after the Rhodes investigation began, Rafaelle was informed that Penn was proposing to revoke Fierceton's bachelors on the grounds of her apparent self-misrepresentation. "Without her trauma, she didnt matter", wrote a commentator in the Tulane Hullabaloo. But part of it is funding decisions. 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