Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. They told us that they'd found the body. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. And this book was okay. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. At least he might have asleep when she went in. He, consumed by anger. See rank. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. I only live a block away.' Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Someone found a car that didn't belong. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. I said, `This woman was in town. "This was our goal," said Bagby. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. If. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. Try again. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. I had a husband I loved. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Easy duty. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. And I said, `Who?' I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Please try again. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. I hate it. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. KATE: I had a great childhood. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. Whom was also a doctor. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. He loved to laugh, Kate says. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. I didn't have. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. They have a network of supporters. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). I got to go to the trial. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. Cpl. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. But he could not get rid of her.. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. She was here.' The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. He was like, `Eh, mm.' She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Telegram file photo. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. He was like Andrew. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. us around. Get help and learn more about the design. Why? Specific in nature? David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Oh, my. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Serious crime is rare in this country. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Really? Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. And we were going to be his savior.. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. I just want to get through medical school.'. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Very powerful story, artfully told. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? David was taking pictures, Kate says. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. Then she killed his brother. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. But with special people, yes. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? They would go to Pennsylvania to . In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. "He was beautiful," Kate . Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. I think about the Bagby family all the time. Was she lying? This book was very well written, and straight to the point. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. Turner had not finished with the family yet. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. IMDbPro Starmeter. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. No question. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Oh, my God. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. And I saw that night her malignancy. Cpl. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. I tended to break down in rage.. The. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. "It was an overpowering feeling. She was born to the late th Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? her. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. and our It is absolutely heartbreaking. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. quiet. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. This year is different. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. 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